Your new record, Mothership, doesn't have a lot of overt rhythms to it.
No, it doesn't. Things I've done in the past had beats on them. I made most of the record in a cabin in the woods [in the Adirondacks of upstate New York]. I went in without any specific influences. It was so fun; I really loved it. On one of the trips there was a huge storm with 44 inches of snow, and I was so happy because I was in the house and shut off from the world.
Snow makes it quieter too. Did you start with any songs?
Some of them were half-written. All of the influences were emotionally based - I didn't have a lot of sonic influences. When I got there, I went into a fugue state, working around the clock, and I made what I felt.
How long of a period was that?
The first time was for two weeks. I totally overestimated how much work it would be doing this album in that way. Or I overestimated my efficiency! With no one to bounce anything off of, I'd go down the rabbit hole making something for four days and then realize, "Oh, I don't like this at all." It was really fun, but sometimes that's the process. I came back home, and then I did it again for two and a half weeks, and then again for another week. I still had work to do.
More editing and finishing it off at home?
Yes.
Did you take all of your equipment with you?
I brought almost everything along. I don't think I brought my huge, old keyboard, but I brought everything else. I played this Novation UltraNova that has some really cool sounds in it. I played my [Fender] Telecaster a bunch, and I used a lot of soft synths by Ableton and Native Instruments. I did a lot of blending of different patches together, putting effects on them and bouncing them to make a whole world. I wasn't listening to a lot of other music when I made it. Now that I'm producing for other clients, they'll say, "I want a beat that feels like this song," or, "I want it to feel like this." I didn't do that for Mothership. I didn't want it to sound like it was derivative of something else. It's a sad, emotional record.
Were you sad at the time?
I was, yeah. It's interesting. I had actually said, "I'm going to write this really catchy record," and then what happened, happened. I had a wonderful time.
Do you feel it's stronger than what you've worked on before because it's more emotional?
I think so. It's more emotional. I think I conveyed more emotion through my words, and through my writing.
What mic were you using up there?
I had two mics with me. One is an Audio-Technica 4047 and the other one is a Miktek CV4 [large diaphragm tube condenser]. Everything went through my Apogee Ensemble, which also sounds really good.
What program are you recording into?
Usually for the sound design and writing elements, I use Ableton Live. I use that program for performance, obviously. I got more involved with them, and did some sound design presets for them. Over time, I've gotten more and more attached to it. For writing and sound design, I like how quickly I can do things, like reversing vocals and reverb.
It's so performance-oriented; it lets you work faster.
You know, it totally is. When it comes to tracking vocals, I use [Apple] Logic. I usually send everything from Ableton into a Logic session. I'll send wav files. Then I'll sing in Logic and do all the vocal editing. Then, if I mix it, I mix in Logic.
Did you mix Mothership?
I mixed half of it.
Who else was mixing for you?
Ari Raskin and Travis Ference did two tracks [each]. I ended up mixing the rest of it because I liked how my mixes sound. Sometimes I have a hard time letting go of a mix, which was the other motivation for getting the final mix done elsewhere. I get so obsessive and can't let it go. If someone else is mixing it, I'm more likely to say, "Okay, it's done." With Mothership I decided to get obsessive and mix the rest myself.
How did you pick them to work with?
I picked Travis because I heard this Lo-Fang record [Blue Film]. I saw who mixed it, and I reached out to him.
You were mixing remotely?
Yeah. He's in California, and I'd send him files. Ari is actually someone who taught me how to mix, here in New York. He's someone I met through my Ableton mentor, Erin Barra. She's a professor at Berklee. She's done a lot to advance women in music production. Ari had worked with her for a long time, and had also mixed music of hers. She recommended him because I wanted to take mixing lessons. I was mixing and it sounded pretty good, but I don't have a background as a mixer or engineer. I wanted more of a theoretical knowledge of what I was doing.
There are so many different angles to it.
