I know you have a long history as a musician, but give me a bit of your history as a recordist, from the time you started putting together gear for the first NY Hed studio.
The first thing I bought was the Otari MX5050 8-track 1/2" recorder. I bought it from a studio called Bear Tracks that I had recorded at. It was a pretty cool place, kind of reminiscent of the studio we're sitting in now, actually. It was a basement studio, but they were trying to scrape the film off the Lower East Side vibe — trying to make it a legit place. Although, the first multi track tape recorder I got was the one I ended up selling to you, remember, the reel to reel with wood paneling on the sides...
Yeah, it weighed like 50 or 60 pounds...
Yeah, I got it from this Christian rock guy in California. I don't think he understood the multitrack aspect of it. He was like, "Oh good, 4 tracks, I can record 4 different things." So on one track he would record 2 hours of Led Zeppelin. On another track he would record his acoustic Jesus songs, and so on. He gave me one of his tapes as a take-up reel. When I played his shit and turned all the tracks up at the same time it was so Satanic, probably counter to what he intended to do. Anyway, I think I got that when I was 22, back in 1985. I had that 4-track for like 5 years, and soon 4 tracks seemed too restrictive, so I got the Otari, along with a little Trident mixing board. And 8 tracks seemed okay for a while. You remember we recorded the first Madder Rose demos on that, which later became seven inch singles. Just really minimal gear, drum machine, you know, finding our way. Around that time was the beginning of NY Hed.
After you got your 8-track recorder at Ridge St., did you sound proof right away?
Yeah, but I didn't plan on making it a commercial recording space. I did it so I could bleat away on my saxophone without bothering the neighbors. I had the luxury of only recording myself, or bands that I was really interested in, so my whole history as a recordist evolved in a very relaxed, unusual way. Now that I have to pay the bills with it, I have a more intense work ethic about how I record. But I'm really glad it got to evolve that way, because I got to do all kinds of experiments that you just don't do when a client's in there paying, but all the experiments I did totally inform the way I approach recording for the better. But, I have to make an admission, for years and years I mixed all kinds of albums on the wrong head of my machine. I never used the playback head on my machine like you were supposed to, the theory being that the playback head is more full frequency.
Did your approach change when you got the 16-track 2"?
Well, I recorded a lot of stuff that got released on the 8-track, like the first 3 Madder Rose 7 inches and b-sides, the early Speedball Baby EPs, the first Subsonics record which was my first real producing job. When I first got the 16-track it did change things, because I find I never ran out of tracks with 16. In fact I think number of tracks is a bit of a red herring. Now at the new NY Hed location, we've got this new Trident 80-B mixing board, so we've taken another step up in terms of legitimacy. But I don't think you need the best gear to make a good recording. I think brains and philosophy coupled with a good concept and piece of music make a good recording. If you have crappy gear you definitely have to work harder, but it doesn't mean it can't be done. And by the same token, having really dope gear doesn't mean you'll make a good recording, and the proof of that is on the radio. My thing back then was, I could record okay, but I had a real particular aesthetic about what kind of recordings I liked. In the back of my mind was always, producers mix records. People could make home recordings but you need a real producer to mix it. Mixing to me was some magical realm that I had no entry to. My friend Paul Kolderie [Tape Op #22] helped me out of that mess. He said to just mix to your ears, make it sound like music to you. Whatever other rules people impose are their own rules. You can make music the way you like it to sound, then you're independent of whatever the industry standard at the time is. It was great advice that served me well through the years. Ironic because Paul and Sean are known for producing records that are up to and exceeding the industry standards.
Yeah, their records actually get on the radio sometimes...
