You were excited about studios from a pretty young age?
Yeah, I got to record at Sun when I was 14. I got a 2-hour gift certificate for my birthday! Me and a friend had a little duo; we never played out live or anything. The goal was to just get into a studio. That was the dream. The session started at six o'clock at night. The engineer was James Lott, who I would later intern and assist. He was just a character. He treated us like we deserved to be there, which we didn't! When he started mixing on the big console, I became transfixed. He was making it sound like something! I started bugging him and asking about every little thing he was doing, and he told me I should come back and intern sometime. I loved playing guitar, but I always knew, deep down, that I'd never be a great guitar player — I just like being a good rhythm guy. But when I started interning, I knew pretty quickly that that's what I wanted to do the rest of my life. I've always felt really lucky to have been that young and figured it out! So I started out as an intern and tour guide when I was 16 and could drive.
You were one of the tour guides?
Well, I started out as a tour guide and also became the studio intern a few months later when the other assistant left. My cousin, Johnny, ran the business and asked if I wanted to come work there. Of course I jumped at the opportunity! I worked up from tour guide, to operations manager, and from intern, to assistant, to second engineer. I became the main engineer when James left in 2010.
So the gear that was in there when you started was not anything like the original Sun equipment.
No. Sam Phillips was only at Sun for nine years. Then he left and built Sam Phillips Recording Service, and he took everything with him. Technology changed so much from '51 to '59. They went from direct to disc, to single track, to 3-track. So he was constantly updating his gear as well. Sun Studio reopened in the '80s — it had been empty for about 20 years. They had a lot of '80s kinds of equipment; like an '80s home studio with a really big Soundcraft board. We used Cakewalk Audio instead of Sonar. There was a big 2-inch machine that was basically an ashtray, and not a lot of great mics. But we had a great room. I didn't know anything about gear when I started. I feel very fortunate to have learned on something like that. I remember the console had so many issues; only 12 channels worked. We just had to work harder. It was probably ten years before I used a [Neumann] U 47 or some of these bigger pieces of gear.
Sun Studio is unique in that during the day there are always tours, and then after six are the sessions. How late did these sessions go?
A lot of the time it was by the hour, with a two-hour minimum. Some people would just come in and do two hours, but most would go late into the night. I was a manager as well, so I was there most days by 10 a.m., so it could be some long days. The session could finish at midnight, but I was often there until 2 a.m. James was a mentor, hero, boss, and a dad; all these things rolled into one. He's also a phenomenal guitar player. I'd just sit there and learn guitar licks from him. He'd tell me stories, and I just soaked it up. I never wanted to leave. I had to go home because I had high school the next day. My parents would kill me if I didn't get home at a certain time, but I learned so much from him there. Sessions couldn't start until about 6:30 p.m., and we couldn't set up beforehand. They could drop equipment off sometimes. I really enjoyed part of that. I had culture shock going into Nashville and other places. "Wait, we're supposed to set up the day before, and the band doesn't come, but we're supposed to get a soundcheck somehow?" Or, "The drummer comes at 10 and the bass player comes at 2?" I loved it at Sun. It's one room, and we all soundchecked together. I needed to hear everybody together. Whether you're in a booth or not, you still need to hear how the drums play off the bass. I enjoyed that, and it made me work really fast. I felt like, "They're paying for this, so we better be cutting by 7:15 or they might be pissed." I had to tear down every night.
Were most of the sessions for fan-based kind of reasons?
