You're a composer, multi-instrumentalist, and producer. These are the three main roles that pop up on your credits. Do you identify with one role over any of the others?
I was a musician first, playing in bands, so I think of myself as a musician first. I also love writing ideas with my instruments, so songwriting is probably second. Producer falls in there next. I love getting the arrangements of songs. I love thinking, "This is what the bass is going to do. This is what the guitar's going to do. This is what the keyboard's going to do." And then getting into the sonic mixing of it; like what different frequencies are happening in the track. "Oh, we need a shimmery thing here, and maybe a low end thing there." I guess that falls into the producer category, or at least one of the things that a producer can do.
You mentioned the mixing aspect. Are you hands on when you mix your records, or do you have someone you work with for mixing?
There's a certain point where I started to use outside mixers. When I finish producing a track, I will do the best mix I can possibly do in the amount of time that I have, and I use that as an example of how I want it to sound. Then I hope the mixer will take it to the next level; maybe make it a bit more punchy in the drums, and maybe a little bit bigger or wider. But sometimes my mix ends up getting used. I'll usually mix The Bird and the Bee tracks, and occasionally I will mix a song here and there if people like the rough mix. But a lot of times I'll use different mixers. I've worked with [Mark] "Spike" Stent a lot. I've also worked with Serban Ghenea, Tom Elmhirst, and Manny Marroquin [Tape Op #109]. Those are the main mixers I've worked with.
When someone hires you as a producer, are they getting you as a player as well? Do you end up playing on the records that you produce?
Yeah, unless it's a rock band or something like that. Most of the time, I'm working with an artist; probably a singer. A lot of times I'll play all the instruments on a track. Maybe I'll get a drummer every now and then, or I might get some outside horn player or something. But when it comes to keyboards, guitars, and bass, a lot of times I will play those, and even drums occasionally. I do have some friends who are great drummers, and sometimes it's outside of what I can do on a drum kit. That's the instrument I'd say that I probably play the least.
But you do play? Is that you on The Bird and the Bee?
Yeah, but not all of it though. Joey Waronker is playing on a few of the tracks. On Sia records, or something like that, it's me on drums if it's a live kit. A lot of times it'll be a hybrid of me playing, chopped up, and I'll do some programming with me playing. On a lot of records where I'm playing drums, it's a hybrid.
Do you create loops out of what you've done on drums?
For me, I have to do that. Unless it's a certain kind of song that I can play straight through, really simply. But a lot of times it's more of a pop thing, where I will find the best of myself and chop it up. I wish I could do it straight through, but I'll feel like those four bars are the best. That's going to be the meat of the track, and then I'll fill in some variation from there.
I feel like loops can be more hypnotic and can suck you into the track.
There's something hypnotic about the loop that I probably picked up from early hip-hop, which was some of the music that got me into making tracks in the first place. I feel like there's something really great about a lot of early hip-hop samples, where they loop the intro of the song over and over again. I love that simplicity.
You said earlier that you identify primarily as a musician, but looking back at what you've been doing for the last decade or more, it seems like you're mostly a producer.
Well, that's how I got into production. Production for me was guys like Prince. That's who I used to look up to growing up. I would imagine his productions and how he would build a track with his Linn [drum machine], as well as play the keyboards and all the instruments. That's how I started making tracks, and that's how I got into production. Then later, when I worked with Paul McCartney, the Foo Fighters, and artists like them, I needed to learn another way to produce where I'm not playing all the instruments. I need be on the other side of the glass and help these artists with their vision, and not play all the instruments. Production, for me, is mostly being a musician, and playing, and coming up with the parts, so I do look at it as hand-in-hand.
In 2006, you produced records for Pink, Peaches, Jessica Simpson, and Kylie Minogue. Did that year feel like it was a turning point for you?
